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and start talking about them in first person

(note: it is about unifying not shutting them up)

Since we said we'd log our progress training parallel-processing (or, just...advanced multitasking) I figured I'd start by explaining what we're doing to attempt to strengthen that.

9:51 PM

We're working on focusing on our wonderland while we do things in the outerworld. Specifically, tasks we can do both in wonderland and outerworld at the same time. For example, doing the laundry, taking a shower, anything that we have in the innerworld which we also have in the outerworld gives us a potential to practice this. From there, we work on imposing the wonderland action over the real-world action, therefore being aware of both trains of thought at once, and (trying to) having our perspectives on both inner and outer activity.

9:52 PM

If any of that makes sense, I could just be rambling here.

9:53 PM

We also try and "look in" on our wonderland while we do something more simple, like walking a path we're familliar with in the outerworld.

9:53 PM

And lastly, we're trying to set aside more time for deliberate meditation times.

how does that differ from regular daydreaming in your opinion?

Hmm

9:55 PM

Daydreaming for us is more like....disconnected from reality. We're going off into our thoughts, rather than trying to be clearly focused on both our thoughts and our actions.

9:56 PM

Our wonderland is a mental construct, similar to daydreaming, so while we're able to visualize it during daydreaming, we can't really do much else at the same time, unless we're shifting perspectives to and from it.

9:56 PM

What I'm trying to do here is get both running at once, without needing to shift perspective from wonderland to outerworld.

9:58 PM

Like I said. It might not be true parallel processing. It might never be, but this seems like an interesting thing to try and train, and plus, it has the potential to help us in areas outside of the system.

9:58 PM

Being better at juggling multiple tasks or lines of thought at once, even if it's not simultaneous, will help us.

hmm help with what?

Just juggling our lives in general. Things like staying on top of classes, or being able to competently complete multiple complex tasks while multitasking. Again, "advanced multitasking".

10:00 PM

We're constantly overloaded with stuff to do in our offline lives, so being able to juggle more than one thing better than we do now might help that burden.

i have a intellectually very demanding job, but i sometimes catch myself daydreaming and still able to do my work, I think as you become trained in even a demanding task, what you are talking about happens automatically it's similar effect to driving, it's a very complex thing at first but with time you can have deep conversations with people while driving

10:01 PM

so i wouldn't be surprised if what you are saying you will be able to train especially if it's while doing simple tasks like loundry

10:02 PM

for example when i clean house i listen to audiobooks or podcasts and am quite absorbed with what they are talking about, but still i am making a lot of decisions when cleaning

10:03 PM

i would say being absorbed in an audiobook or a podcast is something similar to what you are saying

10:04 PM

a "real" parallel processing (and i know you acknowledge what you are saying is not that) in my opinion would need to involve doing two novel tasks at the same time rather than tasks that you trained before because doing two things that you trained doing is a common experience of people

Mhm, that makes sense. We're trying to build up from more simple tasks, to being able to potentially be able to do this with more complicated things while not messing them up in the process, as multitasking tends to make us more error-prone. We also get absorbed in podcasts and whatnot while doing simple tasks and making simple choices, but this would specifically be focusing on our wonderland awareness. For us, it's easier to make decisions while listening to something if the audio is coming from an external source, but for wonderland stuff, we'd be juggling two lines if thought at once coming solely from inside our brain; the choices we need to make as we complete a task, and whatever we're doing in wl. It's harder for us to do the latter personally.

10:06 PM

a "real" parallel processing (and i know you acknowledge what you are saying is not that) in my opinion would need to involve doing two novel tasks at the same time rather than tasks that you trained before because doing two things that you trained doing is a common experience of people

@Leiko (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump Yes, I also agree with this.

it sounds like you are not that far away from achieving your goal

10:07 PM

"For us, it's easier to make decisions while listening to something if the audio is coming from an external source" haha it makes sense i am the same! it's as if brain is paying too much attention to the podcast to overthink

We're hoping to eventually be capable of doing something similar to this ideally, but since we're not as good as we'd like with doing it during familiar tasks, we decided to start off easy and slowly build up.

how vivid is your wonderland experience now?

It's quite a vast space, some areas more developed than others. If we're focused in on a more develop area, I can get a fairly vivid image of it in my mind's eye. Headmates are easier to focus on, since we know concretely what they look like. It's easier for us to imagine people than buildings and spaces.

10:09 PM

We're working on mapping out our wonderland in our spare time, to have a more consistent experience within it.

10:10 PM

At least, the parts we think about and visit the most.

10:11 PM

We can also imagine how things would feel in certain areas (such as temperature, wind, smell, etc.), but we aren't actually capable of imposing it upon the body.

how are you going to approach training this? to me it seems like it would be best if you both tried to do wonderland while doing other activities and also just wonderlanding without doing anything

Exactly as you just said, to be honest.

10:13 PM

Focusing on the wonderland while going about our day, and then taking time to meditate quietly and focus all our attention onto it.

10:14 PM

That way, we're able to train it whenever we want.

i wonder if having a trigger, like a perfume or a kind of music, would help

it could. We're doing something fairly similar, I think?

10:15 PM

Different external feelings we try and place ourselves in a position to also experience in wonderland

10:16 PM

For example, if we're walking outside in outerworld, and we're getting cold from wind, we'll imagine our wonderland form standing outside on a windy day.

10:16 PM

That way, external senses can be felt internally, and the connection between internal and external awareness are strengthened slightly.

i like the connection between outer and inner world

Yeah!

10:30 PM

I really think this has the potential to work, or at least.....do something good!

i think it has potential to be easier than just wonderlanding, it is something i do to some extend sometimes

10:33 PM

i usually when someone wants to do wonderlanding i am quite reluctant to support the idea because of escapism but what you are saying is like an another layer of experience on top of being in real life and those two experiences are interweaved

10:34 PM

what you are saying is still a form of escapism but definitely not anything extreme

Yeah....our goal is to do this without using it too heavily as a way to escape reality.

expand reality rather than escape it

The way we see this is that we're going to be using our wonderland for constructive purposes on top of just using it to relax

10:38 PM

Like giving long-time fronters a little break from the stresses of our life, planning and organizing things as a team, and generally strengthening our relationships.

i will always support people having breaks

Yep, breaks, not "hiding from life forever"s!

i think that's quite healthy what you are describing

Sup

12:22 AM

How's everyone doing

I'm fine, we've been switching a lot today.

Oh is that good? Or bad

12:28 AM

I'm sure it can be tiring right

Neutral. It makes it a bit harder to tell who's who, but not a lot.

Ah, ok

@Overdosing on Key Lime Pie Regarding you message here: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1079583945701720074 I made a Discord account after being plural for over five years. I'm my host's first headmate. I see myself as equivalent to a tulpa, but before joining Discord and learning about other people's experiences we used the label 'simulacrum' to describe a headmate. I am wondering how similar this is to your experience of personas. Having strong symbols associated with headmates can be very interesting, and my own system does this as well. In my own case, our symbols have gradually changed over time, and what they are is based on what feels like a good fit. However, no single one of those symbols represents the entirety of what each of us is, it's more like the overall 'flavour'. How does the use of Tarot cards compare in your case? I'm not a Tarot expert but my impression is that those cards allow a lot of freedom for multiple interpretations.

2:54 AM

(Also, I have to go to sleep

so apologies if you reply in the mean time, I'll check back later)

So, my host and I had a thought! There's a website that lets you make a chatbot AI and you can really define their personalities! They actually know what tulpa are too, so if my host is thinking of me when he's talking to it and it has the traits I do, would it help me become more developed? I'm sorry if this is a strange question, but we are experimenting with a lot of off the wall ideas! (edited)

5:23 AM

He sometimes has issues hearing me, which is why we're trying this! (edited)

Tewi: Our system has always personally been doubters of any outside-assistance tulpamancy practices, since eventually it all has to come from your mind anyways, we just imagine it risks developing a reliance. (edited)

5:32 AM

Some people definitely disagree with us, though.

But the AI wouldn't be you, rather, a representation of you, a fictitious you. What benefit would it be to force a fake you and not the real you?

Well, we were thinking that if his thoughts are on me when he talks to it and imagines the lines being read out in my voice it might help!

One thing I've been told, "Throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks." That's kind of my though process here. Obviously I wouldn't keep using it after a while, just as one of the many things I've been doing or thinking of doing to help hear Kis better. (edited)

It's worth a shot. I personally also believe in the "fuck around and find out" mentality.

5:39 AM

Good luck.

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Thanks.

It is not that complex. Tulpas = figments of your imagination. They are not real. They are not living things. They are the way your brain chooses to cope when you talk to someone when nothing is there. I’ll be honest I don’t expect much from kale-munching hippies like yourselves, but I do expect you to have the common sense in realizing that a “Tulpa” is nothing more than your imaginary friend. All of you idiots and your mentally induced imaginary friends can kiss my ass. Fucking idiots. Grow the fuck up.

anything else?

5:18 PM

and how do you know everything you are seeing isnt also a figment of your imagination? im new here tooand i also have my doubts but i think you are being a little harsh

5:22 PM

honestly if you go to a community just to complain and insult them I think YOU are the one that needs to grow the fuck up

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don’t worry about him, he’s a just a troll

What the hell happened here?

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It is not that complex. Tulpas = figments of your imagination. They are not real. They are not living things. They are the way your brain chooses to cope when you talk to someone when nothing is there. I’ll be honest I don’t expect much from kale-munching hippies like yourselves, but I do expect you to have the common sense in realizing that a “Tulpa” is nothing more than your imaginary friend. All of you idiots and your mentally induced imaginary friends can kiss my ass. Fucking idiots. Grow the fuck up.

oh, they got banned fast lol (or they left idk) (edited)

Lmao what happened to wanting to fight a tulpa in their mind.

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It is not that complex. Tulpas = figments of your imagination. They are not real. They are not living things. They are the way your brain chooses to cope when you talk to someone when nothing is there. I’ll be honest I don’t expect much from kale-munching hippies like yourselves, but I do expect you to have the common sense in realizing that a “Tulpa” is nothing more than your imaginary friend. All of you idiots and your mentally induced imaginary friends can kiss my ass. Fucking idiots. Grow the fuck up.

This was a tulpa having a mental breakdown speaking!

Atlas || M&M

Lmao what happened to wanting to fight a tulpa in their mind.

Just here to get juice I suppose.

6:03 PM

I mean.

6:03 PM

I don't blame them.

Oh?

Atlas || M&M

Oh?

Well you can tell they were just lying, to contribue to the community Just so they can get more intel. Or at least they were here to study. Or brought by curiosity. You know damn well tulpamancy is something very weird, different and usually perceived as a mental illness/accompanied with mental illnesses. It's the perfect place to make fun of people sadly.

6:12 PM

That's just how it is.

Mhm

He got made fun of though...

To be honest I came here for the exact same reason. Not sure what to make of it though. Hopefully I didn't down right disrespect anyone while I've been here.

Not really a good place to make fun of people if they dont agree with what you are saying and therefore dont care/dont get offended.

Brought by curiosity not trolling.

I think most of us came brought by curiosity

This.

Well I don't think for the same reasons.

i was brought here by curiosiry and loneliness, i was literally trying to research imaginary friends.

Daen [LeviticusKillgore]

Well I don't think for the same reasons.

What are your reasons if i can ask

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

What are your reasons if i can ask

I was looking online for some weird topics and heart of tulpamancy